Episode 8 - Additional Income streams for musicians

Everyone in the world knows about making money in the music industry right? In this episode we're looking at revenue streams for musicians outside the common areas of getting paid to play live and selling/streaming your music. 

For this episode we're exploring at how merchandise can bring in an income to support your activities, why you should be joining your collection societies for royalty payments and we touch of how publishing can support your music.

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Transcript 

[brino]: everyone welcome to the show today
[jon_constantine]: yah
[brino]: john and i going to be talking
about
[jon_constantine]: talking about income sources for musicians because
i know like when people start is always
[jon_constantine]: think about how do artists how do
people make money and i think it's something
[jon_constantine]: that from you know lecturing and teaching
it's not something that's always expecidely clear
[jon_constantine]: what i want to do is
[jon_constantine]: break down some of th different ways
of actually earning an income and making money
[jon_constantine]: from your music so got a couple
of things like outlined out so what i've
[jon_constantine]: like the first one the first area
i thought like the easiest win for artists
[jon_constantine]: and bands you might be starting out
is talking a little bit about merchandise
[jon_constantine]: so this is something like when you
know we you're playing
[jon_constantine]: shows like the benefit of having merchandise
might be way of actually helping to raise
[jon_constantine]: a little bit extra cash to kind
of pay for recordings anything
[brino]: merch
[brino]: still a strong seller people like merchants
if you've got a good brown if you've
[brino]: got if your merch looks good and
you can shift it
[brino]: got if your merch looks good and
you can shift it
[jon_constantine]: yeah and i think one of one
of the things i think sometimes people worry
[jon_constantine]: about is like you know the cost
of setting up there paying for the merchandise
[jon_constantine]: about is like you know the cost
of setting up there paying for the merchandise
[jon_constantine]: and the first thing so what we
found is obviously there's a few places that
[jon_constantine]: and the first thing so what we
found is obviously there's a few places that
[jon_constantine]: do like print on demand so like
an easy one to do would be like
[jon_constantine]: do like print on demand so like
an easy one to do would be like
[jon_constantine]: there's a company called dizzy jam and what you can do
and what you can do
[jon_constantine]: is if you got a really good
image you can upload your images to that
[jon_constantine]: and they do digital printing so and
basically like when anything gets made up then
[jon_constantine]: and they do digital printing so and
basically like when anything gets made up then
[jon_constantine]: if anything gets order then it gets
printed on like and when it's ordered then
[jon_constantine]: if anything gets order then it gets
printed on like and when it's ordered then
[jon_constantine]: sent out to the person couple of
downside that is obviously there's quite a big
[brino]: yeah i mean it's it's a great
way you don't end up having a massive
[brino]: outlay bands that you know struggling to
haven't got much in the part at the
[brino]: beginning then it's a good way to
kind of offer much to your fans which
[brino]: beginning then it's a good way to
kind of offer much to your fans which
[brino]: is still kind of building your brand
[brino]: is still kind of building your brand
[brino]: but you haven't got the initial set
up cost so
[brino]: that's obviously a bonus
[brino]: you can have a to designs lots
of colors because obviously the problem when you
[brino]: got when you got to make the
physical things you need to cover all the
[brino]: got when you got to make the
physical things you need to cover all the
[brino]: sizes if you kind of have to
restrict what you do read you don't want
[brino]: too many designs if you're not unless
you're playing in front of loads of people
[brino]: because every design
[brino]: because every design
[brino]: has to have different
[brino]: has to have different
[brino]: sizes the extra small the smallest medium
large extra large double excels all those kind
[brino]: to think so
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: it soon adds up and you end
up with loads left over but see the
[brino]: down side of using
[brino]: print on demand is it's no good
[brino]: print on demand is it's no good
[brino]: for turin for your life shows you
have you've got the physical things to
[brino]: sell there so then
[brino]: you can try and get people to
sign up go on line hopefully after the
[brino]: gig but ideally you want to play
a blinding show people really love the band
[brino]: they go straight out into the foyer
buy a T-shirt that sort so
[brino]: they go straight out into the foyer
buy a T-shirt that sort so
[brino]: the dream but then you've got to
have stock then you also need someone to
[brino]: the dream but then you've got to
have stock then you also need someone to
[brino]: sell the mercer a lot of bands
and they
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: do that themselves straight off the stage
going to sell the march before the gig
[brino]: but if you've got someone who's there
with you driving the van helping you set
[brino]: up doing sound for you whatever just
having the mrctannear them so they can take
[brino]: up doing sound for you whatever just
having the mrctannear them so they can take
[brino]: care of that so it's extra expense
really
[brino]: because you've got to have someone to
keep an eye
[brino]: on the numbers as well how many
shirts have we got left how many get
[brino]: pressed up if you're just doing a
couple of gigs here and there and they're
[brino]: kind of pubs or small venus
[brino]: then you got to think is it
worth print printing up loads of t shirts
[brino]: then you got to think is it
worth print printing up loads of t shirts
[brino]: and caps or whatever you want but
obviously if you're a support or if you're
[brino]: and caps or whatever you want but
obviously if you're a support or if you're
[brino]: and caps or whatever you want but
obviously if you're a support or if you're
[brino]: doing decent side shows then you're going
to get some rich made up because the
[brino]: doing decent side shows then you're going
to get some rich made up because the
[brino]: fee might not be that good on
the show but with the time you add
[brino]: ten fifteen twenty there it's and
other lines of march you've got to it
[brino]: ten fifteen twenty there it's and
other lines of march you've got to it
[brino]: every night and you're playing maybe fifteen
twenty shows and it's that extra money you
[brino]: know it's covering the van of covering
the hotels or whatever so print on and
[brino]: know it's covering the van of covering
the hotels or whatever so print on and
[brino]: great way to have access to lots
of designs lots of colors no outlay to
[brino]: great way to have access to lots
of designs lots of colors no outlay to
[brino]: yourself apart from once you set up
on dizyjamit's there you don't make a lot
[brino]: yourself apart from once you set up
on dizyjamit's there you don't make a lot
[brino]: of money from it but you do
make a lot of money as if you're
[brino]: of money from it but you do
make a lot of money as if you're
[brino]: gonna sell physical t ships but having
the outlay how many do you order obviosly
[brino]: gonna sell physical t ships but having
the outlay how many do you order obviosly
[brino]: the more you order the cheaper they
are so i mean you've got to approach
[brino]: that but artists by artists really on
whatever stage they're at an obviously we can
[brino]: help help
[brino]: with that with numbers of how many
you should be getting up and if you're
[brino]: stock taking and keeping you know ideas
of numbers you're shifting and you know kind
[brino]: of how many to sell based on
how many
[brino]: people you're playing to and then when
you do the next tour you'll know
[brino]: and if you sell out you sell
out much better
[brino]: selling out than having a hundred you
know
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: extra smalls and also your fan base
[jon_constantine]: yeah one of the things i think
when our bandage like when i was back
[jon_constantine]: in the deer when back when i
was digging and everything is like we actually
[jon_constantine]: split our t shirts fifty fifty between
guys got guys t shirts and girls t
[jon_constantine]: shirts and we actually found in the
girls teas were the ones actually saw quicker
[jon_constantine]: because sometimes
[jon_constantine]: they were the ones they got overlooked
[brino]: m m
[jon_constantine]: one of the actually in the band
one of our best sellers weird not really
[jon_constantine]: weirdly but we used to do close
sticks used to get like
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: you get like a pack of a
hundred or something for like a tenner
[jon_constantine]: and you can sell three for a
quid and so we to do that and
[jon_constantine]: initially like for know we play like
university i think we supported Wheatus once and
[jon_constantine]: we outsold them on merchandise just because we
just shifted like turns and turns of glow
[jon_constantine]: sticks and then that led bad badges
t shirts and stuff
[jon_constantine]: one of the other things probably
[jon_constantine]: say as well s like when we're
talking about merchandise especially for show is that
[jon_constantine]: might also include getting like the CDs
made up as well
[jon_constantine]: or like you know a version of
your music available to buy m because obviously
[jon_constantine]: like i know a lot of arcis
an obviously there has been a shift towards
[jon_constantine]: like digital streaming and that's where everything
is but if you do but you know
[jon_constantine]: like digital streaming and that's where everything
is but if you do but you know
[jon_constantine]: if you do start getting like a
really good like a really strong following or
[jon_constantine]: like a fan base then the people
might want something that might be collectable
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: so like the vinals he cedes and
stuff
[jon_constantine]: might still be an option to kind
of think
[brino]: final long turn around times but
[brino]: CDs are pretty easy to get done short
runs getting back quickly and we usually use
[brino]: a company called sound performance which hopefully
will be able to offer you discounts with
[brino]: them as well
[brino]: and you can get you know thousands
of those pretty cheaply nowadays and the turning
[brino]: round time is really quick yeah just
make sure that stock what
[brino]: round time is really quick yeah just
make sure that stock what
[brino]: stock you're buying you know a case
of a rock band they bought they bought
[brino]: stock you're buying you know a case
of a rock band they bought they bought
[brino]: they ordered the same amount of each
size and then at the end they said
[brino]: we got loads of extra small and
smaller mediums left and we sold out of
[brino]: them on the first day and they
couldn't shift any well that's because fun base
[brino]: is all kind of like forty to
sixty five year old who tend to be
[brino]: a bit bigger
[jon_constantine]: yeah ye
[brino]: there's not many of them fitting into
an extra small so they hadn't really thought
[brino]: about that and then obviously if you're
a pop band and lots ages are coming
[brino]: to they are going to want
[brino]: kind
[brino]: of
[brino]: smaller
[brino]: sizes you know so
[brino]: think
[brino]: about your audience
[jon_constantine]: this is where i suppose like
when you're looking at like inttiktokfacebook as well
[jon_constantine]: they should be panel you know if
you're like a business profile you should be
[jon_constantine]: they should be panel you know if
you're like a business profile you should be
[jon_constantine]: able to acualyhave look at your demographics
and see what what's the kind of age
[jon_constantine]: arrange what's the make up of the
domina male is it females all that information
[jon_constantine]: arrange what's the make up of the
domina male is it females all that information
[jon_constantine]: and as you develop it's something that you can
look into and that can help you inform
[jon_constantine]: your decision in terms of what you
think would work also ask you fans asking
[jon_constantine]: what they'd like or what they'd like
what they think it's been cold in the
[jon_constantine]: what they'd like or what they'd like
what they think it's been cold in the
[jon_constantine]: past
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: and that could be you know like
getting them involved would also help them
[brino]: we're gonna have a merchant
guy on actually talking with us at
[brino]: some point so you can ask you
can ask that question direct so you can
[brino]: say if a band is playing
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: to four thousand people what on average
are you selling a night o t shirt
[brino]: wise and then if you're just paying
so they
[brino]: wise and then if you're just paying
so they
[brino]: into four thousand an you're goin be
playing to four hundred then you can work
[brino]: into four thousand an you're goin be
playing to four hundred then you can work
[brino]: into four thousand an you're goin be
playing to four hundred then you can work
[brino]: out what percentage you're kind of going
to buy us you know if they're buying
[brino]: into the band
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: so yeah hopefully we'll have someone on
who benno answer all those questions and then
[brino]: you just take that you know there
they'll be used to do in small shows
[brino]: as well there's two people actually that
we were thinking of getting on you can
[brino]: as well there's two people actually that
we were thinking of getting on you can
[brino]: go through the numbers and what they're
[brino]: tours so they'll begin to go through
what a day that could be something you
[brino]: think about as a career path as
well if you remember on the group here
[brino]: it's not necessary thinking you might doing
a band as well but wouldn't mind going
[brino]: on tour maybe doing the march something
you want to explore your own opportunity
[jon_constantine]: ray is that what now did for
someone
[jon_constantine]: or you went on top of a
band isn't
[brino]: he was
[jon_constantine]: four
[brino]: he was
[brino]: roadie and i'm not sure if he
did much possibly but
[brino]: he
[brino]: was definitely
[brino]: in the crew for inspirer carpets we
will
[brino]: in the crew for inspirer carpets we
will
[brino]: right in and being a musician himself
[brino]: but i guess those years on the
road learning how how torn works the work
[brino]: but i guess those years on the
road learning how how torn works the work
[brino]: but i guess those years on the
road learning how how torn works the work
[brino]: that goes into it crew how important
the crew are um and just the day
[brino]: that goes into it crew how important
the crew are um and just the day
[brino]: to day running of a tour
[brino]: with a decent sized banner that to
be on that is great experience and great
[brino]: learning to
[jon_constantine]: m so we've got say like s
an easy win just for people starting out
[jon_constantine]: merchandise is a really good one and
say if you just
[jon_constantine]: want like if you just start you
[jon_constantine]: haven't got much money then maybe the
print under thing is good one of
[jon_constantine]: the things i would say about print
on demand is there not screen printed normally
[jon_constantine]: digitally printed so what can sometimes happen
is the image over time can fade so
[jon_constantine]: i've got like when we did leaders
by we got got a couple of hoodie
[jon_constantine]: is a trial to see what was
like abvolutely ove the hoodie and the quality
[jon_constantine]: and stuff is good is just like
after a few washes like the image faded
[jon_constantine]: with screen printing that last i got
i got ships from like so my age
[jon_constantine]: a litlbutnowle ou now twenty the years
and like you know like bands give stuff
[jon_constantine]: as well as like the
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: ones that screen print last a lot
lot longer
[jon_constantine]: then like the individual colors to get
the right kind of balance out so moving
[jon_constantine]: on the next thing just really want
to talk about then it's linking a little
[jon_constantine]: on the next thing just really want
to talk about then it's linking a little
[jon_constantine]: bit when we talked about the cads
and stuff but then talking about royalties so
[jon_constantine]: bit when we talked about the cads
and stuff but then talking about royalties so
[jon_constantine]: this is something that i know that
loads of people when they luckily got our
[jon_constantine]: it's kind of trying
[brino]: i remember them john
[brino]: i remember them john
[jon_constantine]: yeah in the nineties
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: in the u k you've got there
used to be three main collecting
[jon_constantine]: in the u k you've got there
used to be three main collecting
[jon_constantine]: societies and over time they've
[jon_constantine]: societies and over time they've
[jon_constantine]: kind of merged together and then partnerships
so you've got performing performing royalties performance royalties
[jon_constantine]: which are covered by p r s
for music and they cover like the song
[jon_constantine]: writer so a song to write a
song then
[jon_constantine]: that right to the music would go
to the people who write the songs the
[jon_constantine]: next one that we have
[jon_constantine]: is mechanical royalties and that's usually when
going back to say this go back to
[jon_constantine]: is mechanical royalties and that's usually when
going back to say this go back to
[jon_constantine]: the nineties and stuff for the internet
or naps as the thing mechanical rotis would
[jon_constantine]: the nineties and stuff for the internet
or naps as the thing mechanical rotis would
[jon_constantine]: only be from the sale of albums
[jon_constantine]: or singles so when when you like
when you make a sale or whatever that
[jon_constantine]: from those payments and stuff and then
the third one is down to sound recording
[jon_constantine]: and that is usually assigned to whoever
pay s for the recording itself so if
[jon_constantine]: you working in the studio and you've
paid for the recording then usually that but
[jon_constantine]: as a band you don the recording
but if a label were putting the money
[jon_constantine]: up they be the ones that get
an assignment of those rights on right nick
[brino]: no just making sure you're registered i
mean the amount of bands who have been
[jon_constantine]: oh
[brino]: you know releasing
[brino]: records and working with us for years
and then
[brino]: it comes up one day and you
must have got something for that on
[brino]: your you know through p r s
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: and they say we never we never
registered for p s
[jon_constantine]: it's mad because you actually get a
payment if you register it p you can
[jon_constantine]: register every single performance so if you go on tour
[jon_constantine]: every live music venue has to pay
a license to PRS and PPL
[jon_constantine]: it's like a joint combined license
i think
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: and what that means is like if
you're the song writer you'd get a royalty
[jon_constantine]: for performing those songs through that license
that venue has to pay on top of
[jon_constantine]: whatever fee that you have i remember
hearing about in island they've got the vision
[jon_constantine]: whatever fee that you have i remember
hearing about in island they've got the vision
[jon_constantine]: whatever fee that you have i remember
hearing about in island they've got the vision
[jon_constantine]: whatever fee that you have i remember
hearing about in island they've got the vision
[jon_constantine]: of prashis called imro and they were
saying there was to suppose i think in
[jon_constantine]: of prashis called imro and they were
saying there was to suppose i think in
[jon_constantine]: park eighty thousand people and like one
of the guys i was chasing people up
[jon_constantine]: park eighty thousand people and like one
of the guys i was chasing people up
[jon_constantine]: chasing up the band like the were
unsigned and they weren't registered and they were
[jon_constantine]: going we've got twenty grand vrouw because
that's like the feed like they take a
[jon_constantine]: percentage of the ticket sales
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: on eighty thousand tickets if your support
you get a percentage of the payments from
[jon_constantine]: from those from that license
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: so registering becomes really important
[brino]: ah
[jon_constantine]: and it's something like if you play
festivals they'll normally be wraps s and saying
[jon_constantine]: like look can you give us your
sales so we can get you perform
[jon_constantine]: an you can get you registered and
getting
[brino]: increment it goes
[brino]: up with more people you're paying playing
in front of you know for the p
[brino]: p l
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: even if you're just playing down the
pub put your settles you know put your
[brino]: stles in
[brino]: it goes up it depended on how
many people you're playing in front of and
[brino]: you know those
[brino]: little bits all add up that there's
and everyone's everyone's getting em with the before
[brino]: little bits all add up that there's
and everyone's everyone's getting em with the before
[brino]: the performers on the tracks you know
and then
[brino]: you get if you get a play
on a major station you re radio two
[brino]: or something then as you say it
goes into a pot they can't work out
[brino]: everyone who's played your song but they
kind of base it on the fact that
[brino]: radio two are playing it then you
get a tentage of the pot
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: so therefore it must be getting played
on in clubs or in factories and every
[brino]: every hair dresser
[brino]: in the country you had radio to
on would be playing
[brino]: that song they all pay a license
fee
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: so we've had it before where we've
had a track of getting a single play
[brino]: on radio to and then when you
get your ps statement it breaks it down
[brino]: and it shows you how much you
earn from the radio play then how much
[brino]: you earn from hair dressers how much
you earn from factories how much you earn
[brino]: from venus because they can't
[brino]: work it out with a big artists
who are getting played on the big stations
[brino]: all the time get such
[brino]: massive payments they're getting a massive slice
[brino]: of the pot massive
[brino]: sharing the pot all the time aren't
they
[jon_constantine]: and it all kind
[jon_constantine]: of it all adds up isn't it
because that payment and
[jon_constantine]: that's come in from the performance of
the sound recording and also the song writers
[jon_constantine]: prsmusic take care of the performance to
take had the person performance and then p
[jon_constantine]: p l is a sound recording so
then if you performer as a performer you'd
[jon_constantine]: also get some money from p p
l and you also get a ittle bit
[jon_constantine]: of money if you own that sound
recording
[jon_constantine]: what also happens is say that you
[jon_constantine]: do you play live lounge or you
go into like the cisco locally say like
[jon_constantine]: do you play live lounge or you
go into like the cisco locally say like
[jon_constantine]: radio whales they do acoustic sessions from
time to time or you know like unsigned
[jon_constantine]: and plug sessions you get a performance
for performing your songs i paid the performance
[jon_constantine]: and plug sessions you get a performance
for performing your songs i paid the performance
[jon_constantine]: of performing your songs by a p
s if you wanted to release that recording
[jon_constantine]: of performing your songs by a p
s if you wanted to release that recording
[jon_constantine]: and you might have to come to
an agreement with the b b c because
[jon_constantine]: there's an artist called image in her
and what she
[jon_constantine]: did she made a website called life
of the song and it was for her
[jon_constantine]: did she made a website called life
of the song and it was for her
[jon_constantine]: song like hide and seek this song
was basically like an capello is like she
[jon_constantine]: she's playing go i think got sampled
by jason derulo and had like another life
[jon_constantine]: but that that one song i think
over the course of its lifetime say ten
[jon_constantine]: years i think it's into over a
million pounds
[jon_constantine]: that's an extreme one but it was
just picked up by a t v supervisor
[jon_constantine]: for the o c back in ten
of the century
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: and it went huge on my space
and then you know it gets re sampled
[jon_constantine]: and it gets re used again
[brino]: i mean
[brino]: i were many artists
[brino]: who only had one hit
[brino]: many many years ago they've had
[brino]: a very knowthey got strong fan base
they can play to lots of people but
[brino]: of course because they're playing to decent
size
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: crowds they're still learning good royalties from
you know p p l checks the p
[brino]: crowds they're still learning good royalties from
you know p p l checks the p
[brino]: r s checks come in or checks
any more but direct into your bank account
[brino]: r s checks come in or checks
any more but direct into your bank account
[brino]: payments yeah and they've survived because that
song is getting rotated on it's getting
[brino]: covered by lots of artists around the
world but so one song can then sustain
[brino]: a career for twenty five fifty years
you know if it's it's a big radio
[brino]: hit kind of around the world
[jon_constantine]: christmas song
[brino]: or a christmas song yeah create royalties
[brino]: must start work on a christmas song
john
[jon_constantine]: i know what i did when like
years ago before like when i was in
[jon_constantine]: i know what i did when like
years ago before like when i was in
[jon_constantine]: port cole we did on the was
called christmas robot
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: and it was just like these guys
that used to work in the building building
[jon_constantine]: yard around the corner from the studio
[jon_constantine]: and they just said john we've got
an idea didn't tell me anything about it
[jon_constantine]: and they just said john we've got
an idea didn't tell me anything about it
[jon_constantine]: and it's like they've got an idea
just want t e if you want to
[jon_constantine]: and it's like they've got an idea
just want t e if you want to
[jon_constantine]: get on board of it just like
a laugh like okay and then it's like
[jon_constantine]: get on board of it just like
a laugh like okay and then it's like
[jon_constantine]: chris like he's like a six foot
light assistant to like one of the exacsanstuff
[jon_constantine]: chris like he's like a six foot
light assistant to like one of the exacsanstuff
[jon_constantine]: and he comes in and just puts
on his robot voice the cause hemselchistmas robot
[jon_constantine]: i think they up loaded it to
amazing tunes and then they got picked up
[jon_constantine]: by mike stock so i ended up
having to like i was away for a
[jon_constantine]: friend's wedding in cyprus and i had
a phone call from them when i was
[jon_constantine]: out there so need i had like
a couple of messages and miss you re
[jon_constantine]: back as soon as possible so i
like i message them so i'm in cyprus
[jon_constantine]: and so just when you get home
give us a ring and i said yeah
[jon_constantine]: i really like to track can you
send like the vocals over to mike cause
[jon_constantine]: it's like the weirdest email i've ever
had to send and then send this christmas
[jon_constantine]: robot track i got features on radio
on and they said like the promo campaign
[jon_constantine]: was intense it didn't
[jon_constantine]: i don't think a charter but
[jon_constantine]: like they spent a week having to
like pretend to be like the six the
[jon_constantine]: six four guy who's
[jon_constantine]: like in his forties or ever having
to put on like this like stupid
[jon_constantine]: robot voice
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: have to do all these interviews of
like
[brino]: wishing you never got your self into it
[jon constantine] Steve Wright
[jon_constantine]: yeah and you just said like it
was just exhausted because they have to kind
[jon_constantine]: of do it whilst doing their full
time jobs and stuff and they be available
[jon_constantine]: for all these schools and everything
[brino]: to be ware of these things but
yeah you know the amount of people saying
[brino]: you aren't registered yet with those organizations
and they should be and i think
[brino]: you aren't registered yet with those organizations
and they should be and i think
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: a couple of reasons when they just
haven't got round to it laziness another reason
[brino]: a couple of reasons when they just
haven't got round to it laziness another reason
[brino]: a couple of reasons when they just
haven't got round to it laziness another reason
[brino]: they think it's daunting they don't know
what to do they may be have got
[brino]: as far as reading about everything you
need to join and all that and then
[brino]: as far as reading about everything you
need to join and all that and then
[brino]: they think it's too much so they
give up some do join and they never
[brino]: fill it in because they have no
idea what any of it means
[brino]: but i mean i do that for
several people have done for many years i
[brino]: take on PPL, PRS, MCPS registration for a lot of artists
[brino]: so that's something we do and something
[brino]: we can mentor you through as well
if you're on one of the program is
[brino]: there
[brino]: or maybe we'll put
[brino]: together of course just on m c
p s p s and we'll get someone
[brino]: together of course just on m c
p s p s and we'll get someone
[brino]: from one of those organizations to maybe
come
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: with us on the course but yeah
something
[brino]: we can do so if you want
us to help you through that talking through
[brino]: it then get in touch with us
and we can talk you through it
[jon_constantine]: think about from an artist perspective so
just going back over so we've covered little
[jon_constantine]: bit about much but when we start
in how it
[jon_constantine]: can be beneficial next one obviously about
royalties and stuff and the different ways that
[jon_constantine]: can be beneficial next one obviously about
royalties and stuff and the different ways that
[jon_constantine]: just a final thing on the royalties
as well vin tik tok they actually pay
[jon_constantine]: you describe publishing
[brino]: the one is the one area that
people don't quite understand or it's that like
[brino]: the one is the one area that
people don't quite understand or it's that like
[brino]: may be mail their tracks to management
companies record labels but never to publishing companies
[brino]: of course if you get label they'll
either have a publishing arm or they'll work
[brino]: with publishing companies so then it's all
sorted for you so if you're releasing stuff
[brino]: yourself it's it's still a gray area
to a lot of people
[brino]: yourself it's it's still a gray area
to a lot of people
[jon_constantine]: one of the things it's quite useful
about it is it can be like it
[jon_constantine]: comes like like bonus money i suppose
we was like it's not expected it's not
[jon_constantine]: if it happens it's great but it
can you know like if he gets picked
[jon_constantine]: if it happens it's great but it
can you know like if he gets picked
[jon_constantine]: up on a game or something
[jon_constantine]: remember like one of our songs got put on like a p s p game
[jon_constantine]: years ago just like a racing game
was alongside the likes of like fall out
[jon_constantine]: boy and a few the and m
and then wend getting like you know it
[jon_constantine]: almost puts we end up actually geting
a fan basin out in south america but
[jon_constantine]: obviously we never got to a level
where we were big enough
[jon_constantine]: to kind of exploit it but it's
just like this idea is where basic like
[jon_constantine]: to kind of exploit it but it's
just like this idea is where basic like
[jon_constantine]: if you get the publishing and it
might be you can get your song advert
[jon_constantine]: if you get the publishing and it
might be you can get your song advert
[jon_constantine]: into a t v show men just
just having that mentioned on about imaging heap
[jon_constantine]: into a t v show men just
just having that mentioned on about imaging heap
[jon_constantine]: us having that
[jon_constantine]: like track place somewhere where like you
know hundreds of thousands millions of people might
[jon_constantine]: watch it or listen to it can
expose you whole new area as well and
[jon_constantine]: nother one like remember working on the
john lewis working like tom dell on those
[jon_constantine]: wrong crowd only for a couple of
days he got the john lewis christmas advert
[jon_constantine]: wrong crowd only for a couple of
days he got the john lewis christmas advert
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: and that song basically
[jon_constantine]: i think he said it paid for
his mortgage got the new car and then
[jon_constantine]: the next album that came along after
that the label just said yo can do
[jon_constantine]: it if you want whatever you want
to do it's fine
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: because income that came from the publishing
from being placed it john lewis the christmas
[jon_constantine]: one was it the penguin one i
can't remember but it was he did you
[jon_constantine]it's like this
extra bonus that people might not be expecting
[jon_constantine]: and just having that association from it
can bring extringcoming like like you can see
[jon_constantine]: a huge
[jon_constantine]: increase and then like your
[jon_constantine]: streaming revenue your physical sales and like
your profile itself
[brino]: we worked with artists at the moment
don't we who have
[brino]: written songs in the past that were
very successful and they haven't released records for
[brino]: a very long time they don't release
records in fact
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: but what they do get is the
real they're publishing deal every so often and
[brino]: but what they do get is the
real they're publishing deal every so often and
[brino]: get a massive advance on those songs
because the publishing company knows that there's many
[brino]: of those songs that they kind of
etched in history now they're always going to
[brino]: of those songs that they kind of
etched in history now they're always going to
[brino]: be played in certain territories of the
fan based radio station is always going to
[brino]: play them so the publisher going afford
to give them large advances against that and
[brino]: also once you've had a massive hit
album with songs on it that are just
[brino]: going to be around forever then a
publio company can offer you massive advances then
[brino]: against
[brino]: all your future writing as well because
they own that catalogue then you can make
[brino]: a lot of money from but having
a good publishing come let you say somebody's
[brino]: going out getting it on video games
someone who's going out again adverts on t
[brino]: v because they are you know their
relationships with the sink agents and with networks
[brino]: and everything
[brino]: it's brilliant that's what the publishing company
aims to do is more things like that
[brino]: they can get your song on then
he the more money they all make
[brino]: and of course that then feeds into
your fan base
[brino]: and your your sales as well but
what what the publishing side of it is
[brino]: is the actual getting the song on
on those things not not necessarily getting you
[brino]: is the actual getting the song on
on those things not not necessarily getting you
[brino]: getting to a stream although that you
know that comes off the back of it
[brino]: if someone hears a song then they
maybe go and listen to it they here
[brino]: on a computer game or on an
advert
[brino]: or something so yeah getting
[brino]: hen we get asked a lot that
we can you get our tracks on t
[brino]: hen we get asked a lot that
we can you get our tracks on t
[brino]: v on film can you get any
sinks for us you very difficult because it's
[brino]: v on film can you get any
sinks for us you very difficult because it's
[brino]: v on film can you get any
sinks for us you very difficult because it's
[brino]: a highly competitive market now
[jon_constantine]: yeah it's a very like specialized area
and it's it all comes back again to
[jon_constantine]: network in doesn't everything that
[jon_constantine]: all this like getting case is all
about networkin getting like in ont of the
[jon_constantine]: right people for like record labels um
publishing companies and like they'll have connections so
[jon_constantine]: it's like meeting the right people and
finding the right people can sometimes kind of
[jon_constantine]: take the barriers down quite a bit
so like
[brino]: and once you get a son once
they take a song off you and they
[brino]: get it on a film and it's
a successful film then they're goin to come
[brino]: back to you for more track to
your building up
[brino]: those relationship with the sink agents they're
likely to come back to you again
[brino]: I know a lot of
people used
[brino]: like TAXI and Sentric music
[brino]: where they're telling you what kind of
songs people are looking for you know they're
[brino]: pitching
[brino]: things to all the writers or you
know and then you pitch a song if
[brino]: you think you've got song that the
outline fits then you can put your song
[brino]: you think you've got song that the
outline fits then you can put your song
[brino]: forward you pay to join these
[brino]: companies but you know we've heard many
people
[brino]: companies but you know we've heard many
people
[brino]: had a lot of success and actually
earn a full time living out of it
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: and others
[brino]: have had nothing
[jon_constantine]: the mates does taxi and eastern stuff
are like cash attic and everything so they'll
[jon_constantine]: be going like we want a song
in this style like up beat kind of
[jon_constantine]: poppy something and it might just be
a thirty second clip
[jon_constantine]: and it's something that is musicians you
could smash out really quickly remembers we did
[jon_constantine]: dexters and one of the songs on
the album was meant to be a bee
[jon_constantine]: side for publishing request like your lovely
wife
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: like it's only meant to be like
you know is like what meant to be
[jon_constantine]: much put on and the end up
being put on the album
[brino]: yeah and that would fit you know
if someone's asking for a song about a
[brino]: red tea pot and you've got a
piece of music about a red teapot then
[brino]: you submit it
[brino]: you know because the tag words are
really impot and for people to be out
[brino]: of fine tracks as well on
[brino]: library music and taxi and things like
there's so many tracks on the so many
[brino]: people pitching
[brino]: so yeah when you when
[brino]: you're uploading tracks to things
[brino]: to sights like that then the tag
words are really important so people can
[brino]: find it but it's building those relationships
[brino]: find it but it's building those relationships
[brino]: like if you can get relationship with
someone who's taken some of your tracks they
[brino]: like they hear your music they like
it then they might just come you're in
[brino]: their mind then they might just come
straight back to you rather than go searching
[brino]: on the places they usually search
[brino]: they might just come back they'll have
their
[brino]: regular people they can
[jon_constantine]: yeah
[brino]: go to
[jon_constantine]: yeah so publishing kind of cover that
we talked a little bit about like streaming
[jon_constantine]: too much time on it because that's one of the obvious every
[brino]: yeah
[jon_constantine]: a lot of people
[jon_constantine]: now you can release your music
on using a platform like Distrokid CDbaby TuneCore
[jon_constantine]: a really good options for actually doing
the pros and cons for each one and
[jon_constantine]: it's just another way like you know
getting
[jon_constantine]: paid people listen to your track being
available for that and in other places as